So I got this B210.

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So I got this B210.

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Post by CelicaRA65 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:03 am

It's '78 four door, four speed car and I know very little about it (Datsuns in general)... Kinda lost on this what's a good motor and transmission combo and what rear end/gears are preferred. I'd like to have around 180hp or so and mild built chassis (roll bar, suspension, brakes, and what not). I'd like to use as a driver/light track duty or Bosozoku the fuck out if I'm not going to see any track time with it.

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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by izzo » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:53 am

KA swap. 155 HP stock IIRC... braaaaap. 280zx front suspension, big breaks ftw.
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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by CelicaRA65 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:06 pm

Is the 280ZX bit a bolt in thing or chop/cut weld deal? I do like the idea of a KA but I don't want to do it, I was hoping there was a motor of about the same vintage that bolts in and makes power (I want to keep carbs, and not wire it for fuel-injection).

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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by izzo » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:25 pm

Eh. no. Unless you stuff a V8 in there. Then its just retarded heavy and you lose all handling.

BTW, ka swap. You need an aftermarket fuel pump, a couple relays. In reality, its not that much more work putting in a fuel injected KA vs a carb motor.

To swap ZX, you need to cut the purches off your current setup. Use the spring purches, springs, top hats etc. The B210 setup is the same as 510. So maybe you could purchase 510 setup from Troy Ermish and bolt it on.
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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by flatcat19 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:34 pm

510 crossmember will bolt in then an L motor will bolt to that.

Not a lot of options with the rear.


The A is a capable motor though.



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Post by CelicaRA65 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:47 pm

I was thinking only the ZX brakes and suspension stuffs. I don't really care about the work to do a KA swap, but I wouldn't swap a KA I'd do a 13B/SR/4AG which I don't want to do on this car. I want a kinda period correct resto-mod thing...

What kind of power can I get out of... Hell I don't know what kind of motor my car has, where can I find the cast number?

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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by Gray » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:50 pm

flatcat19 wrote:510 crossmember will bolt in then an L motor will bolt to that.

Not a lot of options with the rear.


The A is a capable motor though.



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Post by CelicaRA65 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:05 am

What year 510 stuff?

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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by flatcat19 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:12 am

CelicaRA65 wrote:I was thinking only the ZX brakes and suspension stuffs. I don't really care about the work to do a KA swap, but I wouldn't swap a KA I'd do a 13B/SR/4AG which I don't want to do on this car. I want a kinda period correct resto-mod thing...

What kind of power can I get out of... Hell I don't know what kind of motor my car has, where can I find the cast number?
Oh Gawd. Don't swap any of those motors in.
4AG---weak. No where near the power potential of the other 3. HP can get expensive real fast for little gain with any combination of the 4A swaps/franken-motors.
SR---meh. Expensive. For half the price a KA will decimate.
13B. If rotaries are your thing.
KA. Easy. Abundant. Well-documented. Best bang for the buck of the 4 listed.

You have an A series motor. Probably an A12 or an A14. There is a plate on the firewall that will tell you.
You want period correct? It's either A or L. A12, A14, A15, L16, L18, L20B or even an LZ.
Anymore-it's common to see KAs in Datsuns for the simple reasons I already listed.

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Post by CelicaRA65 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:27 am

4AG's are stupid cheap, light and rev happy. But I don't really like SR/KA motor's as I'm not that into Late model Nissan stuff. So I was looking into a high winding carbureted engine.

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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by flatcat19 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:49 am

Pay to play.

The L16 winds better than the 18. And the L18 better than the 20.
L20B has more power though out the gate.

I'm a huge fan of the LZ.
But I am also swapping an L18 into a B310 here real soon.

It won't take a lot to turn a B210 into a screamer.
Even just an L16 is an increase in size.



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Post by CelicaRA65 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:01 am

I'll see if I can get some pictures up tomorrow, I'm lame and don't have a camera/smart phone...

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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by izzo » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:02 am

If you're looking for period correct. A series is the way to go. But no way you will get near 180HP man :\

If you, or you have someone who can, make manifolds. I'd suggest maybe a built A motor with turbo, or even a built L series motor with a turbo. you can run carb turbo. And will get a decent amount of power. hell, an L motor with just a weber in a B car is powerful. An LZ would be nuts, and an LZ with turbo you'd shit.... They have decent power and torque, twin side draft carbs. Yes please.
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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by flatcat19 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:40 am

LZ22/23 in a B210 is just down right dangerous.
Sign me up!

That may just have to be phase 2 in my plan to rule the world.
LZ'd 210. I win.

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Post by DRIVEN » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:32 pm

I think a serious LZ is about the only "period correct" option that's going to get anywhere near the 180hp goal. I always liked the U20 too. Not cheap and not common but they sound really nice and were pretty peppy.
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Post by RedBanner » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:04 pm

Have you ever even driven an a series car op?
wayno » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:40 pm wrote: Everything is either tight or actually rubbing.
Taterhead » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:29 pm wrote:Datsun gods will give you one working gauge, gasoline or speedometer; you can't have both.

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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by flatcat19 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:06 pm

I rode in a car an A series/4 speed with a friend.
3 hour-ish road trip.

That car was a kick in the pants. Fully capable.
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Last thing we need is another 510 getting cut up to fit an L motor into a Sunny.
Who was that jerkov anyways?

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Post by RedBanner » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:14 pm

An a14 with cam carbs and lightened flywheel in any b series car is a handfull. And fun as shit. Get over 30 mpg on a. Uilt rev happy motor? Yeah. Its awsome. Even without 180hp. The thing is whatever car you drove that had 180 is not going to feal like a b with 180. A 100hp b is an insanely quick little car. Power to weight yo.
wayno » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:40 pm wrote: Everything is either tight or actually rubbing.
Taterhead » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:29 pm wrote:Datsun gods will give you one working gauge, gasoline or speedometer; you can't have both.

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Re: So I got this B210.

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Post by CelicaRA65 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:52 pm

I took some shit pictures today.
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Post by Ni10 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:42 am

CelicaRA65 wrote:I took some shit pictures today.
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